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John Joseph PENFOLD (1848-1900)Tree004:JO01
| Name: | John Joseph PENFOLD 1 |
| ONS Reference: | Tree004:JO01 |
| Sex: | Male |
| Record Id: | 2280 |
| Father: | John PENFOLD (1819-1881) |
| Mother: | Mary Ann HALL (1826- ) |
Individual Events and Attributes
| Birth | 14 Oct 1848 | Brentford, Twickenham, Middlesex 2,3 |
| Census (1) | 1881 (age 32-33) | 37, Lynton Rd, Bermondsey |
| Census (2) | 1891 (age 42-43) | 21 Glading Terrace, West Hackney |
| Death | 1900 (age 51-52) | Hackney 4 |
| Occupation (1) | 1875 (age 26-27) | -; Billiard Marker |
| Occupation (2) | 1881 (age 32-33) | -; Billiard marker |
Marriage
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| Child: Ernest PENFOLD, Ernest Penfold (2270) and Grace Rowe (2271) | ||
| Spouse | Mary Jane JAMES (1851- ) | |
| Children | John William PENFOLD (1876- ) | |
| Thomas Henry PENFOLD (1878- ) | ||
| Alfred George Benjamin PENFOLD (1880- ) | ||
| Maud E PENFOLD (1882- ) | ||
| Ernest PENFOLD (1891-1968) | ||
| Marriage | 26 Dec 1875 (age 27) | St Anne's Church, Bermondsey, Surrey 5,6 |
Individual Note 1 (shared)
Birth certificate shows John Joseph was born at Back Road, Twickenham. His father was a labourer and that his mother's maiden name was 'Hall'
1851 census living as lodgers at 3 Tuns Public House, London Road, Twickenham with parents and sister, Sophia. Father was a coachman.
1871 census: 22 years old working as a waiter in Radley's Hotel, 1, Terminus Road, Southampton.
Radley's Hotel dates back to the 1840s when George Radley was the owner. The hotel closed in 1907, and the building was taken over by the Royal Mail Lines Shipping Company.
1881 census living at 37, Lynton Rd, Bermondsey with wife and 3 children - Occupation - billiard marker. Mary Jane's unmarried sister, Sarah James, 22 years was visiting them occupation given as 'ladies maid domestic'
ALSO: 1881 census living at Colne Road, Twickenham with parents and 9 siblings - occupation - billiard marker
1891 census; name given as 'Walter' with occupation reading as 'cellarman' and age as 23 years. This is incorrect, John Joseph would be 43. 'Walter' is shown to be living with wife, Mary Jane and sons John Wm, Thomas Hy, and Alfred Geo with correct ages and places of birth.
CELLARMAN / CELLARER is a person who looks after the beer, wines and spirits in public houses or the warehouse. Could also be a person who sold or stored wines and spirits. (www.btinternet.com/~rayment/general/occupations/27_11_2_2C.html)
Son, Ernest, born May 1891 has birth certificate showing father John Joseph and address 21 Glading Terrace
Died: 1900 Quarter Dec; Vol 1b, p248
Married Mary Jane James on December 26, 1875.
His employment then was a Billiard Marker and he lived at Blue Anchor Road
Mary Jane's residence at time of marriage was also Blue Anchor Road
His father, John's, employment was Coachman
Her father's employment was Boot Maker
Address at Ernest's birth registration, 1891, was: 21, Glading Terrace, West Hackney
John Joseph was a Billiard Marker
At time of 1901 census Mary Jane was a widow
She lived with her children at 13, Knebworth Road, Stoke Newington, part of Hackney
Individual Note 2
Note From Sally Edwards 3rd May 2010:
I discovered on the London Metropolitan Archive site the marriage certificate for Ernest Penfold and my grandmother, Grace Lily. Ernest's father is recorded as Walter Penfold (deceased).
And this is the mystery!
In 1881 John Joseph was recorded in 2 homes; that of his parents and also with his wife and family.
Was the marriage failing even then?
John Joseph had 4 other children born from 9-15 years before my grandfather, Ernest. There were no children after Ernest.
1891 census; living at 21 Glading Terrace, Hackney, head of house given as 'Walter' with occupation reading as 'cellarman' and age 23 years. Walter is shown to be living with wife, Mary Jane and sons John Wm, Thomas Hy, and Alfred Geo with correct ages and places of birth to match Mary and my grandfather's siblings.
Ernest was born a month after the 1891 census, in May. His birth certificate has John Joseph as father.
BUT! baptism records from LMA show Ernest was baptised in 1893 with his brother, Thomas Henry and sister, Maud, citing their parents as Walter and Mary Penfold. The address is 21 Glading Terrace, West Hackney; Walter's occupation is a potman.
A marriage certificate dated Aug 1893 with Walter Penfold (25 years) marrying Harriett Kingston (23 years) in the Parish Church of St Mark, Old Street, London. Walter's occupation is leather cutter. His father is William James (deceased), a publican.
Is this the same Walter?
The 1901 census has Walter and Harriett with a daughter, Walter's mother (incorrectly named as Marjorie, her name was Margaret) and Walter's brother, Robert James
By 1901 Mary Penfold, Ernest's mother, is a widow and records show John Joseph died in 1900.
This has kept me awake for many nights!!
Sources
| 1 | "PenfoldONS-v1.1". Record originated in... |
| 2 | "FreeBMD". Brentford; 3; 30. |
| 3 | "Birth Certificate". |
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| Source: Birth Certificate, Tree004-JO01-Birth | |
| 4 | "FreeBMD". 4th quarter; 1b; 245.
Text From Source: Hackney, age 51yrs |
| 5 | Ibid. 1d; 368.
Text From Source: St Olave |
| 6 | "London-JO01-Marriage". |
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| Source: London-JO01-Marriage, London-JO01-Marriage | |